Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs

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July 19, 2021 22:34 bob@majdak.net (Bob Magic)
> Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do not
interact with RFCs or the mailing list. it does not help that depending on how you get the mailing list (like me, in digest form) its almost impossible to actually chime in. just to reply to this i have done about 13 clicks in the gmail interface, and im still sure this will show up outside of the timeline of the actual thread and may be read by at most 2 people who happened to find it on externals.io. plus that one time your client accidentally top-posts instead of bottom posts and starts yet another flamewar about that instead of talking about what you actually wanted to talk about. my favourite way to comment on things is to comment on the github pull requests usually tagged in the RFC's because you don't have to be a member of the club to chime in there. it has been an issue in the past where someone has been too sensitive and deleted comments though immediately after "open for discussion" dot dot dot i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.
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July 20, 2021 07:32 phpmailinglists@gmail.com (Peter Bowyer)
> > Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 23:34, Bob Magic <bob@majdak.net> wrote:
> i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing > list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what > we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion. >
I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this mailing list and cannot. It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable. There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't. I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group procedures please tell me the next steps? Peter
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July 20, 2021 07:44 kjarli@gmail.com (Lynn)
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer <phpmailinglists@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this > mailing list and cannot. > > It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the > different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and > received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this > brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable. > > There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't. > > It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.
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July 20, 2021 08:50 weirdan@gmail.com (Bruce Weirdan)
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:45 AM Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from > the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do > about it.
I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this: Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net) Do this: Never send it to Spam -- Best regards, Bruce Weirdan mailto:weirdan@gmail.com
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July 20, 2021 09:09 kjarli@gmail.com (Lynn)
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Bruce Weirdan <weirdan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:45 AM Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from > > the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do > > about it. > > I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this: > Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net) > Do this: Never send it to Spam > > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce Weirdan mailto: > weirdan@gmail.com
Thanks!! I've added the filter, let's see how it goes
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July 20, 2021 16:12 bob@majdak.net (Bob Magic)
i can't prove that i was shadowbanned but after a huge fight with someone
on this mailing list, i stopped getting all responses from it, even just
general help commands, for about 6 years. mysteriously it just started
working again last year with nothing done on my part, and here i am, right
where it left off. it could have just been as broken for me as it was you.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:44 AM Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer <phpmailinglists@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join >> this >> mailing list and cannot. >> >> It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the >> different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and >> received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created >> this >> brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable. >> >> There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't. >> >> > It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well, > so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've > tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never > received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it > just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from > the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do > about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one > where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have > code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions. >
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July 23, 2021 22:12 mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:44 AM, Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer <phpmailinglists@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this >> mailing list and cannot. >> >> It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the >> different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and >> received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this >> brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable. >> >> There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't. >> > It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well, > so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've > tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never > received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it > just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from > the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do > about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one > where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have > code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.
A fix[1] has been applied in hopes to resolve the mailing list sign-up issue. For those who had issues with signing up for the mailing list would you be willing to please test the signup process[2]? If yes and you still experience a problem, could you please report the issue to php-webmaster@lists.php.net <mailto:php-webmaster@lists.php.net> list, or if you don't want to sign up for that list you could please email me off-list so I could look into the continued problem and communicate about it on the webmaster list for you? Thank you in advance. -Mike [1] https://github.com/php/web-php/pull/426 [2] https://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php