DateTimeZone silently falls back to UTC when providing seconds

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May 30, 2021 21:45 benjamin.morel@gmail.com (Benjamin Morel)
Hi internals,

An issue <https://github.com/brick/date-time/issues/35> was brought up on
my date-time library, that boils down to the fact that DateTimeZone
silently falls back to UTC when providing an offset with seconds:

(new DatetimeZone('+01:45:30'))->getName(); // 00:00

https://3v4l.org/9ZrK6

If this is unsupported (this would make sense), should it throw an
exception instead?

Thank you for your time.

⁠— Benjamin
  114670
May 30, 2021 22:10 derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)
On 30 May 2021 22:45:12 BST, Benjamin Morel morel@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi internals, > >An issue <https://github.com/brick/date-time/issues/35> was brought up >on >my date-time library, that boils down to the fact that DateTimeZone >silently falls back to UTC when providing an offset with seconds: > >(new DatetimeZone('+01:45:30'))->getName(); // 00:00 > >https://3v4l.org/9ZrK6 > >If this is unsupported (this would make sense), should it throw an >exception instead? > >Thank you for your time. > >⁠— Benjamin
I can't think of why this couldn't work. Duke a bug report please at bugs.php.net?
  114671
May 30, 2021 22:18 benjamin.morel@gmail.com (Benjamin Morel)
> > I can't think of why this couldn't work. Duke a bug report please at > bugs.php.net?
Before doing so, shouldn't we discuss whether it makes sense to accept a time-zone offset with seconds, when the granularity seems to be 15 mins? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UTC_time_offsets — Benjamin
  114672
May 30, 2021 22:32 derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)
On 30 May 2021 23:18:31 BST, Benjamin Morel morel@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I can't think of why this couldn't work. Duke a bug report please at >> bugs.php.net? > > >Before doing so, shouldn't we discuss whether it makes sense to accept >a >time-zone offset with seconds, when the granularity seems to be 15 >mins? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UTC_time_offsets > >— Benjamin
No need. Early timezone offsets in the timezone database are in LMT (local mean time), which have second granularity. cheers, Derick
  116030
September 11, 2021 21:58 benjamin.morel@gmail.com (Benjamin Morel)
> > >Before doing so, shouldn't we discuss whether it makes sense to accept > >a > >time-zone offset with seconds, when the granularity seems to be 15 > >mins? > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UTC_time_offsets > > > >— Benjamin > > No need. Early timezone offsets in the timezone database are in LMT (local > mean time), which have second granularity. > > cheers, > Derick
Hi, sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but now that this bug <https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81097> has been fixed in PHP 8.0.10, I can see that seconds have been forbidden from DateTimeZone altogether: https://3v4l.org/QpSln Before forbidding seconds in brick/date-time's *TimeZoneOffset* as well (and going against JSR-310, which this library was derived from), can I please know why this decision was made, when as I understand it, this goes against your statement above? Thanks in advance, - Benjamin
  116034
September 12, 2021 11:06 Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org>
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Hey Benjamin, Hey All

On 11.09.21 23:58, Benjamin Morel wrote:
>> >>> Before doing so, shouldn't we discuss whether it makes sense to accep= t
>>> a >>> time-zone offset with seconds, when the granularity seems to be 15 >>> mins? >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UTC_time_offsets >>> >>> =E2=80=94 Benjamin >> >> No need. Early timezone offsets in the timezone database are in LMT (l= ocal
>> mean time), which have second granularity. >> >> cheers, >> Derick >=20 >=20 > Hi, sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but now that this bug > <https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=3D81097> has been fixed in PHP 8.0.10,= I can
> see that seconds have been forbidden from DateTimeZone altogether: >=20 > https://3v4l.org/QpSln >=20 > Before forbidding seconds in brick/date-time's *TimeZoneOffset* as well=
> (and going against JSR-310, which this library was derived from), can I=
> please know why this decision was made, when as I understand it, this g= oes
> against your statement above?
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