Re: [PHP-DEV] An incubation period for RFCs? [repost as own thread]

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March 20, 2020 16:30 rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins)
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 15:48, Ben Ramsey <ben@benramsey.com> wrote:

> > To encourage userland testing of RC versions, I think it would be helpful > to maintain Docker images of RCs. > > I’m not suggesting the internals group take this on themselves. IMO, this > is something that the community can take on and offer >
Just to be clear, other than a few permissions and a very small number of legal roles, I don't think there is any difference between "the internals group" and "the community". If someone were to maintain these, I doubt anyone would object to seeing them linked on php.net somewhere, with a suitable disclaimer that they weren't supported builds. Incidentally, I suggested something related for PHP 8 specifically, so that people could test the JIT (I talked about distributing pre-alpha milestone builds in general, rather than Docker in particular), but I'm not sure anyone got around to doing it. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]
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March 20, 2020 17:09 ben@benramsey.com (Ben Ramsey)
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:30, Rowan Tommins collins@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 15:48, Ben Ramsey <ben@benramsey.com> wrote: > >> >> To encourage userland testing of RC versions, I think it would be helpful >> to maintain Docker images of RCs. >> >> I’m not suggesting the internals group take this on themselves. IMO, this >> is something that the community can take on and offer >> > > > Just to be clear, other than a few permissions and a very small number of > legal roles, I don't think there is any difference between "the internals > group" and "the community". > > If someone were to maintain these, I doubt anyone would object to seeing > them linked on php.net somewhere, with a suitable disclaimer that they > weren't supported builds. > > Incidentally, I suggested something related for PHP 8 specifically, so that > people could test the JIT (I talked about distributing pre-alpha milestone > builds in general, rather than Docker in particular), but I'm not sure > anyone got around to doing it.
At the risk of getting off-topic in this thread, here is a Dockerfile where someone is doing this for PHP 8, but it could probably use some help to keep it up-to-date. https://github.com/KEINOS/Dockerfile_of_PHP8-JIT Cheers, Ben
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March 20, 2020 17:43 mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Ben Ramsey <ben@benramsey.com> wrote: > >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:30, Rowan Tommins collins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 15:48, Ben Ramsey <ben@benramsey.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> To encourage userland testing of RC versions, I think it would be helpful >>> to maintain Docker images of RCs. >>> >>> I’m not suggesting the internals group take this on themselves. IMO, this >>> is something that the community can take on and offer >>> >> >> >> Just to be clear, other than a few permissions and a very small number of >> legal roles, I don't think there is any difference between "the internals >> group" and "the community". >> >> If someone were to maintain these, I doubt anyone would object to seeing >> them linked on php.net somewhere, with a suitable disclaimer that they >> weren't supported builds. >> >> Incidentally, I suggested something related for PHP 8 specifically, so that >> people could test the JIT (I talked about distributing pre-alpha milestone >> builds in general, rather than Docker in particular), but I'm not sure >> anyone got around to doing it. > > > At the risk of getting off-topic in this thread, here is a Dockerfile where someone is doing this for PHP 8, but it could probably use some help to keep it up-to-date. > > https://github.com/KEINOS/Dockerfile_of_PHP8-JIT
My team has been working on a project called Gearbox which is a local development solution the uses Docker containers within a VM. Gearbox in its entirety is pre-alpha, but many components of it are already solid, including the Docker containers as they have been use for several years on a sister project. I won't in this thread delve into the details of Gearbox or go into a sale pitch since I don't think that is appropriate, but we would be happy to implement and then maintain whatever containers are needed for PHP 8.x. - https://github.com/gearboxworks/docker-php - https://hub.docker.com/search?q=gearboxworks/php Note that we have not updated to PHP 7.4 yet because it has not been on our critical development path, but if the PHP community wants us to offer support PHP 8.x we'd be happy to add staying on the bleeding edge of PHP to our critical path. We would of course welcome collaboration with PRs and possibly even commit rights for others to help us maintain the containers so we are never a bottleneck. Our container generation infrastructure always would let up create many different versions to allow for having proof-of-concept versions of PHP for different RFCs, especially if the RFC authors provide PRs for their work. We wil also very soon have a `gb-launch` tool that will simplify using containers so it won't require experience using Docker to be able to load and run them. So we should be able to do something like this within a week or maybe two: gb_launch php --version=8.0.0-alpha-rfc-123 The above command will pull the container down if you don't already have it locally. What do people here think about this as a solution for what Ben and Rowan were discussing? -Mike P.S. The Gearbox project is open-source. We are currently envisioning a SaaS as a future revenue model, but we are not exactly sure what that will look like. First, we want to bulld Gearbox because we want it to exist.