Re: [PHP-DEV] GitHub RFC workflow

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November 4, 2019 10:15 johannes@schlueters.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?=)
On November 4, 2019 8:35:16 AM GMT+01:00, Joe Watkins <krakjoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm in Spain, and unaware of any access problems ...
In Spain there recently was a court case against an app used to organize protests for an independence of Catalonia. In consequence Github was required to block access from Spain to the relevant repositories. Spanish users can't access the relevant projects anymore. https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/master/Spain/2019/2019-10-23-GuardiaCivil.md https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/master/Spain/2019/2019-10-26-GuardiaCivil.md johannes
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November 6, 2019 03:00 mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)

It would seem to me that if any country decided that downloading and working with PHP were against the law, it would not matter where we hosted it, GitHub or php.net <http://php.net/>.

If for some reason a country got mad and decided to block GitHub, we could easily set up a mirror at BitBucket or some other repository and thus allow people from that country to contribute to PHP/

In addition if it became a problem for someone to access discussions, we collectively could use the GItHub API to write a mirror of discussions so people could read and contribute to support those people in the "banned country" just as easily as building all infrastructure from scratch that nobody have thus far found time to get around to build proactively.

So given all those concerns are currently hypothetical — since PHP is not an app for organizing protests nor is it an advocacy group for a maligned minority — maybe we should just keep our eye on potential problems so that if potential problems arise we can implement a workaround, but until then we just use was works best today?

#JMTCW

-Mike
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November 6, 2019 06:44 pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 10:00 AM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net> wrote:

> . > > So given all those concerns are currently hypothetical
All are real problems, today. Spain's exams is the smallest one. Other cases affect many people already with Github (at large). best,
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November 6, 2019 07:12 mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)
> All are real problems, today. Spain's exams is the smallest one. Other cases affect many people already with Github (at large).
You misunderstood my comments. I did not mean they were not real problems for the people who they affected by those issues; they absolutely are. And I have empathy for them and if I how power to change it I would. But alas, I do not. What I instead meant was that those are not problems that affect — or are likely to affect — people's access to Github with respect to contribution to PHP. And, unless I am somehow mistaken, that is primary shared issue of concern for people subscribed to the PHP internals email list. And nothing more. -Mike