Reminder: Mailing list rules

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August 29, 2019 07:42 nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)
Hi internals,

A gentle reminder to everyone that this mailing list has rules, documented
at https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/docs/mailinglist-rules.md. In
particular:

> 1. If you notice that your posting ratio is much higher than that of other people, double check the above rules. Try to wait a bit longer before
sending your replies to give other people more time to digest your answers and more importantly give you the opportunity to make sure that you aggregate your current position into a single mail instead of multiple ones. Unless you are the author of an RFC, please limit yourself to sending no more than 2 or 3 mails per thread per day -- if you send more, it is very likely that you are either repeating yourself, or are performing a mail-by-mail refutation, rather than aggregating your response. Sending too many mails is very rude, because it drowns out discussions with a single opinion, makes it hard for other people to be heard, and takes up valuable time. Thanks, Nikita
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August 29, 2019 08:24 zeev@php.net (Zeev Suraski)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:43 AM Nikita Popov ppv@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi internals, > > A gentle reminder to everyone that this mailing list has rules, documented > at https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/docs/mailinglist-rules.md. > In > particular: >
And a gentle reminder that these are guidelines (even the document itself refers to them as "hints", right above the part that was quoted), rather than rules that must be obeyed. Specifically, there were many discussions over the years about the "no top-posting" rule (which I'm personally fine with in most cases) as well as the requirement to merge multiple responses into one (which I'm absolutely not fine with, and think is completely counter-productive). Limiting the number of posts to 2-3 also makes absolutely no sense during a discussion - although not necessarily responding to each and every email usually does make sense. Zeev
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August 29, 2019 12:47 drealecs@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Alexandru_P=C4=83tr=C4=83nescu?=)
Hi,

True! Thanks for bringing this up, Nikita.
I wanted to mention the rules on the "Reclassifying engine warnings" thread
as well.

Zeev, you might not agree with rules and hints but I strongly believe that
they are great rules.
Not posting too many times, not posting when you are agitated and angry,
thinking about what you want to say for more than few seconds before
replying are all good things to think about in order to have a more
productive discussion on email.

We all have to respect everyone that might be involved in a thread.
Replying often on the same thread does not let everyone involved reading
and understanding what others are saying, including yourself.
And IMHO that is a sign of disrespect, even if there is no real intention
do it.

I've seen this issue everywhere, both in enterprise threads with too many
persons or public OSS threads. It is never productive and it usually brings
fights and sentiments in a discussion.
We should always take time to think about you response, take time when
writing the response and take time to read it again before sending it.
IMHO, This shows that you care for the discussion and community.

Regards,
Alex


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:24 AM Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:43 AM Nikita Popov ppv@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi internals, > > > > A gentle reminder to everyone that this mailing list has rules, > documented > > at https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/docs/mailinglist-rules.md. > > In > > particular: > > > > And a gentle reminder that these are guidelines (even the document itself > refers to them as "hints", right above the part that was quoted), rather > than rules that must be obeyed. Specifically, there were many discussions > over the years about the "no top-posting" rule (which I'm personally fine > with in most cases) as well as the requirement to merge multiple responses > into one (which I'm absolutely not fine with, and think is completely > counter-productive). Limiting the number of posts to 2-3 also makes > absolutely no sense during a discussion - although not necessarily > responding to each and every email usually does make sense. > > Zeev >
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August 29, 2019 15:13 zeev@php.net (Zeev Suraski)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:48 PM Alexandru Pătrănescu <drealecs@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Zeev, you might not agree with rules and hints but I strongly believe that > they are great rules. >
I think many of them are great (such as not posting when agitated, thinking about what you want to say, being respectful, etc.), and some are not so great (like asking people to combine responses into a single message - I think it's extremely messy). Others are good as guidelines, but not as rules.
> We all have to respect everyone that might be involved in a thread. > Replying often on the same thread does not let everyone involved reading > and understanding what others are saying, including yourself. > And IMHO that is a sign of disrespect, even if there is no real intention > do it. >
I completely disagree that it's in any way disrespectful. Internals is the electronic equivalent of a discussion panel, it always has been. Artificially limiting the number of messages a person can send has no place here, as long as they're on topic. Sure, if the person finds themselves saying the exact same thing again and again - then it's probably not very productive (but still, not disrespectful in any way); But more often than not, it's about different aspects of the topic, or replies to different feedback coming from different people over the source of the day - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the same person replying to many of them. We should always take time to think about you response, take time when
> writing the response and take time to read it again before sending it. > IMHO, This shows that you care for the discussion and community.
I wholeheartedly agree. Zeev