Re: [PHP-DEV] print with newline

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March 4, 2019 00:37 svnpenn@gmail.com (Steven Penny)
On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 00:19:32, Sara Golemon wrote:
> My apologies, I was obviously not being clear. > What I should have said is that your request is bad and you should feel bad. > > Hope that clears things up!
My apologies, I was obviously not being clear. What I should have said is fuck yourself. Hope that clears things up!
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March 4, 2019 00:44 smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)
Hi!

> My apologies, I was obviously not being clear. What I should have said is > fuck yourself.
Please avoid such language on the list. This is not Twitter and not any other forum where such things are welcome. If you can't keep yourself within the bounds of civilized discussion, you probably should consider using some other forum or delay your responses until you are sufficiently in control to avoid such behavior. The correct behavior from now on would be to a) apologize and b) never use such language on the list again. Thanks, -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com
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March 4, 2019 04:31 pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)
On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:45 PM Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is not Twitter and not any > other forum where such things are welcome. >
I want to apologize for my behavior on this thread. I know you're directing your message at another party, but I was churlish and instigative. I really should have exercised more patience and decorum, and for that I'm sorry. -Sara
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March 4, 2019 11:19 rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 04:31, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:45 PM Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > This is not Twitter and not any > > other forum where such things are welcome. > > > > I want to apologize for my behavior on this thread. I know you're directing > your message at another party, but I was churlish and instigative. I really > should have exercised more patience and decorum, and for that I'm sorry. >
Hi Sara, Thanks for owning your mistake. There's definitely a temptation to be dismissive when a new user raises a suggestion that seems "obviously" untenable, either because it's been discussed to death already, or there's a flaw they haven't considered, because engaging can feel like "a waste of time". It's a shame when this ends up chasing away users who make those suggestions in good faith, rather than encouraging them to learn and contribute more. One problem is that we don't really have anywhere to direct new users - we can tell them to raise an RFC rather than continuing the discussion, but that doesn't really solve anything. What we really need is a way of welcoming people, and giving them an idea of which ideas are more likely to be popular, and how to frame them to avoid immediate objections. At the moment, you can only really find that out by lurking on the list for about a year. I've thought before about putting together some kind of FAQ; the biggest problem would be representing previous discussions without making them feel like solid policies; it should be "here are some objections that are likely to be raised", not "here are the reasons you can never do this ever". Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]